Bye bye Commonwealth…
Friday, December 23, 2005 @ 8:38 am by DarK SouLFrom the article:
“WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A presidential task force said in a report on Thursday that the people of Puerto Rico should decide in a series of votes whether the island should become the 51st U.S. state or an independent nation.
The task force urged the U.S. Congress within a year to set a date for a plebiscite in which the people of Puerto Rico would be asked whether they want to change the island’s commonwealth status.
If they choose to change the island’s status, Congress should set another vote on statehood or independence, the task force said.
“We hope that Congress will take a look at the recommendations and hopefully move the question forward,” said Ruben Barrales, deputy assistant to the president and co-chair of the task force.
But Barrales acknowledged that “there’s absolutely no requirement” that Congress act. “We are trying to help move the process forward,” he told reporters.”
I wonder what would happen in a plebiscite between statehood and independence, I for one would vote for statehood. And if independence wins I will get the fuck off this island faster than a teenager cumming in his first sexual experience. Either way, I don’t think congress or the president would give a fuck about the recommendations of that “task force” so everything will stay the same for a long time…, maybe a hundred years more?
Here is the report for those that want to read it…(PDF File)
December 23rd, 2005 at 8:45 am
Yo no diria adios ELA tan rapido. Ya han hecho varios plebiscitos y con la bendicion de Casa Blanca y no han resuelto nada. Esta es otra tactica para distraer a la gente de aqui mientras que la cosa aqui y en EU se pone de color de hormiga brava. Hay que distraer a las masas.
O sea, pai, que nada del otro jueves.
December 23rd, 2005 at 8:51 am
Jejejeje… otro plebicito más. ¡Eso es lo que necesita Puerto Rico! Anyway, en el preliminar, saldría alante el ELA, así que el segundo voto ni siquiera se realizaría.
December 23rd, 2005 at 9:31 am
Ummm, el primero seria para ver si se realiza un plediscito y el segundo seria entre la estadidad o la independencia, el ELA ya no estaria por todo eso si llega hasta era parte…
December 23rd, 2005 at 10:43 am
What if the choice was between staying a commonwealth & becoming a state?
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:17 am
I don’t understand your question…, you see, the “commonwealth” of Puerto Rico is not an actual commonwealth like Virginia and Pennsylvania are, we are just a territory, a possession with no guaranties so we can’t actually stay as we are, a territory or “commonwealth” as they call it, and be a state too.
The full report is HERE if you want to read it, it will answer most of your questions and is also quite interesting, at least for me, hehehe.
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:43 am
Al final de cuentas, no sé pq el portorro promedio se cree q nosotros como pueblo tenemos poder alguno sobre la decisión q vaya a tomar EU en cuanto al status de esta isla. Es con países que no tienen nada q ver políticamente y los invaden a tó cojón. A lo mejor es q aun no se han decidido, a lo mejor nos están distrayendo con cortinas de humo, pero estoy segura de una cosa:
El día que los EU tome una decisión contundente en cuanto a lo q ELLOS desean hacer con este territorio, mi gente: agárrense, pq no les va a detener nada, ni siquiera un plebiscito con un resultado unánime.
EU se ha conocido en este planeta como el país q toma lo q quiere a cojón limpio, no veo razón por la cual PR deba ser una excepción.
Y piensa lo siguiente: si ellos nos quisieran como estado, no crees que ya hace tiempo nos hubieran anexionado? Hmm?
Y si no lo han hecho es pq en verdad NO nos quieren en la unión … asi q I wouldn’t bet my pretty horses on statehood ‘cuz we’re not invited to THAT party.
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:50 am
Nena lee por dios, el informe dice claramente que cualquier iniciativa tiene que salir de AQUI no de alla…, y sugiete durmiendo de ese lao que es mucho mas probable que seamos estado a que seamos republica, solo mira las estadisticas.
December 23rd, 2005 at 4:39 pm
Si Darkie. Los gringos van a aceptar dentro de su linda union un territorio de 4 o 5 millones de personas que va a estar mas pobre que Mississippi. Y si los gringos trataron a sus propios ciudadanos como mierda por lo de Katrina, imaginense a nosotros.
Claro, aqui el arrimao vive en Puerto Rico en cantidades industriales. No se cual es su trauma. Si quieren estadidad, tienen 50 estados para mudarse. Ah y si quieren estadidad, que aprendan a hablar y escribir bien el ingles. El puertorriquen~o promedio no puede hablar ingles ni escribirlo ni siquiera en defensa propia.
December 23rd, 2005 at 4:51 pm
Bueno el tiempo dira, mientras tanto solo se puede hablar mierda de ambos lados de la ecuacion…
December 23rd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
Darkie, a eso me refería:
“the people of Puerto Rico would be asked whether they want to change the island’s commonwealth status.”
En esa votación preliminar, saldría alante quedarnos con el ELA. Sé que si llega a la segunda votación, el ELA no estaría por todo eso. And that’s my point. It won’t even get to that. People here will go with “commonwealth”. Hands down.
December 23rd, 2005 at 5:36 pm
Its a probability but saying so is dumb unless you have a magic ball that tell you those things…, and if you do then tell me the loto numbers
Anyway, basically I am HOPING that the average people understands what really being a “commonwealth” means instead of the lie that the PPD party is perpetuating. In fact not many people believe that this is true when it in fact is…
“The current Commonwealth system was established pursuant to Public Law 600, discussed in the previous section. Congress approved the Puerto Rican constitution in 1952, subject to several conditions that Puerto Rico fulfilled through amendments that took effect in 1953. In addition, the term “Commonwealth” has been given other meanings with regard to Puerto Rico. Some of the uses of the term in that context are discussed in a report of the Committee on Resources of the U.S. House of Representatives regarding H.R. 856, the “United States-Puerto Rico Political Status Act,” which narrowly passed the House in 1998 (See H.R. Rep. No. 105-131 (1997)). However that term may be used, Puerto Rico is, for purposes under the U.S. Constitution, “a territory,” as President George H.W. Bush recognized in his 1992 memorandum concerning Puerto Rico (See Appendix A). It is, therefore, subject to congressional authority, under the Constitution’s Territory Clause, “to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory… belonging to the United States.” In adopting this view of Puerto Rico’s current status, President Bush was confirming the view that the U.S. Department of Justice had taken in congressional testimony in 1991 and had first reached in 1959. Congress may continue the current system indefinitely, but it also may revise or revoke it at any time. For example, Congress could legislate directly on local matters or determine the island’s governmental structure by statute, as it has for Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Congress likewise could allow the island increased powers of self government, subject to limitations imposed by the Constitution (some of which, such as in the area of international agreements, are discussed in a letter that the Justice Department sent to Congress on January 18, 2001, included in this report as Appendix E).”
If the PNP party plays its cards right (Which I REALLY doubt because they are a all bunch of morons) they could scare many “Commonwealth” votes into statehood votes…
December 25th, 2005 at 2:18 am
Darkie - El PNP siempre tira ese cuco y eso la gente se lo ha pasado por sus partecitas. Y eso que antes tenian gente con un poco de cerebro. Ahora con los morones que tienen, forgetaboutit. Yo en verdad lo siento por aquellos estadistas que tienen un poco de capacidad, porque el partido que supuestamente los representa no tiene ni un apice de inteligencia.
December 25th, 2005 at 8:33 pm
Si, eso es cierto, siempre se tiran ese truco, pero antes no tenian ese documento que prueba que todo lo que el PPD clama sobre el ELA es pura mierda…
December 25th, 2005 at 11:19 pm
Me parece que, más que una cuestión de querer ver o no ver la verdad acerca de nuestra situación, el pueblo simplemente le teme al cambio. El PPD puede meter mochos to’ lo que quiera. El PNP puede hacer lo suyo con ese documento. Pero en mi opinión, aquí la gente le teme al cambio, punto y se acabó.
Reemplazar el ELA, o —siquiera— alterarlo sustancialmente, es algo que no va a venir por voluntad propia del pueblo puertorriqueño. Cuando ocurra un cambio serio en el estatus, ese cambio será impuesto por el gobierno federal.
El por qué de este miedo al cambio puede discutirse a diestra y siniestra. Hay quienes se lo achacarían a la influencia de la cultura del terror norteamericana. Hay quienes dirían que viene desde mucho antes de eso, porque la condición de “colonia” o “territorio” —en la cual hemos estado desde que Colón piso la arena de esta isla— promueve un sentido excesivo de dependencia. Pero ya eso es un tema largo y tendido. Mi punto es que, en mi opinión, el miedo es el que hará (como ya ha hecho en plebicitos anteriores) que el pueblo opte por preservar el estatus de ELA.
February 12th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
I hope one day independence can be ahieved…then at least the FBI will be unable to do what it likes to everyday Puerto Ricans….lol
February 12th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
Well, ummm…., I have never encountered a problem with an FBI agent, and neither all the people I know, so I dont know what you are talking about…
Well, umm… the reason for that might be because neither of us LOOK for trouble with the authorities…
Got the hint?
November 11th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
In my humble opinion, all of you are talking a lot of shit. Some of you sound so sanctimonious; others think that you have all the answers. Again my humble opinion is that
most of you are a bunch of MORONES, with CL.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Care to express you so valid opinions instead of that empty rant?